if it is going to happen, it probably has to follow some due process ect. their probably are certain rights employees have, since he is a municpal employee. diane coulnd't fire him right away remember? didn't you testify in your bermudas?
so apparently the meeting took place but there must be some type of gag order...I wonder if they are cutting a deal with him so he'll leave...anybody see a pattern here ?
As of right now. Nothing is happening. Mr. Ryan is sitting at home, collecting a pay check none-the-less, on paid administrative leave. It is unknown yet as to when anything else will happen or when the council will address him.
We will keep you updated for sure.
My only question to you out there in Millville, is how torn apart was your city when everything with Mr. Ryan went down?
Ryan's mother was heavily into politics and she had the ear of our local senator...somehow she got her son hired as chief when he was about 22 or something...he had no qualifications (and still doesn't for that matter)..it was a complete bag job...over the next 20 years the stories are legendary...
The summarized version is there was a new (50) house development built between 2000 - 2005...95% of the people who moved there did not have Millville roots...he tried pulling his antics with some of us...we would have none of it..we made a stand...when the State Police took over policing the town, it was such a relief...
Ryan had people he took care of in town (sounds like your bar owners)...Millville used to be called "Ryanville"...they ruled by intimidation...
Our then Board of Selectmen knew Ryan was a liability...Millville was one lawsuit away from being wiped off the map..
The Ryan backers claimed the whole thing was political...what has happened in Osseo has vindicated the members of that board...
And suprisingly the Ryan backers are awfully quiet these days..must be a tough pill to swallow...
My guess is the people who are standing behind Ryan are getting their back scratched somehow...
The citizens of Osseo should expect they have someone leading the Police Force that they can put their trust in...
So the question becomes does Ryan pass that litmus test ?
The town was definately torn apart.Ryan backers vs others. Both knew the story but if you didn't back the Ryan's you would have hell to pay by the family and him. The BOS took more heat and harassment than any other board had ever taken on any issue that ever faced the town but they hung tough and did the right thing. It is only now as BK said that people are realizing that the board acted appropriately based on what was happening at that time nevermind in the past.
Word out of Hannahs is Ryan says he has lined up a job with his buddy in the Uxbridge PD, they are just waiting to get rid of a female officer too open up a position for him.
New Post-Part 1 of 3 or 4 (due to character limit) from Dragon in Osseo-latest update, but not much news, really. As of March 20, 2010. Timmy was placed on Administrative Leave a few weeks back or so, as indicated in earlier posts on this board, and as can be read about in many news reports. Since that time, there has been absolutely no news on the subject whatsoever. Our City Council meetings are scheduled for every other Monday night, 7pm. They are live streamed on the Internet. To find them, go to this URL, and look around. I don't know of the exact URL that takes you right to the feed, but you can find it if you look. http://www.nwsccc.org/osseo.aspx There was a City Council meeting held on March 8, but there was absolutely no discussion of the police chief issue, at all. I don't know if there will be any discussion of it at the next meeting, on Monday, March 22. It is quite clear that our city council has a solid 3 to 2 majority who are totally committed to helping Mr. Ryan find someplace else to work. The majority might be 4 to 1, but we are not sure, because the 4th person on the council has not expressed any opinions yet that would indicate where his thoughts lie on the subject. We do have one city council member who appears to be very strongly in support of Mr. Ryan. I don't think he is going to change his mind, unless perhaps something even more outrageous comes out into public. The city council actually knows a lot more than most resident, about all the details of what has happened here in Osseo concerning the good Mr. Ryan, but a lot of those details have not been made public. Unfortunately, there are a lot of laws here in Minnesota protecting employer-employee and personnel matters. "Data Privacy Act" I believe it is called. But, the good news, is that since Mr. Ryan (Timmy Hard-on as we call him) has been on leave for a couple weeks or so, so his ability to do any more damage to the department or to the community has been pretty limited. All of the officers are greatly relieved that he is no longer in the station, screwing things up. He is SUCH a nasty man, just terrible. He "seems" to be just a total pig, and I'm using that word in the very general sense, not in the derogatory that some people used to use to refer to police officers. I suspect, although I do not know, that there may be some "negotiations" taking place behind the scene, to come to some kind of agreement that will result in Mr. Ryan leaving, without being formally and publicly "fired". It would be a real shame, in my opinion, if he is allowed to "resign". He should be outrightly fired, because if he "resigns" it will be easier for him to get another Law Enforcement job. By the way, as most of you out in the Millville area are probably aware, Mr. Ryans "employment agreement" is now publicly posted at: http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x699612516/Former-Millville-chief-faces-turmoil-in-Minnesota Yes, our community HAS been torn apart by this issue. BUT, most of the support of Mr. Ryan has come from a couple business owners (including the owner of the local bar, who has been his strongest supporter). These business owners have been extremely vocal, and one (the bar owner) actually blew up and started swearing and yelling after the meeting a few weeks ago when the city council tried to fire Mr. Ryan.
posting part 2 or 3 or 4 (continued) But, I think that the majority of the RESIDENTS who actually live here in town, are in support of getting rid of Mr. Ryan. A couple of the business owners, who have businesses in our town, are not residents here, so they can't vote in our city elections. Mr. Ryan is well known for spending a lot of time in this bar, drinking (allegedly to excess sometimes), during off hours. He is apparently great pals with the owner of the bar now (I think the bar owner was one of the people who were on the "screening comittee", who made recommendations to our previous city council about which candidates for the job to hire). I honestly do not know, and am extremely confused by, the fact that this man does have a number of supporters in our town. It really confuses me. I don't understand the motivations or the thinking of these people. Mr. Ryan (Timmy Hard-on) has put a lot of time and effort into becoming a "community presence" by participating in a bunch of civic events (parades, ribbon cuttings, etc), none of which have anything to do with the actual job he was hired to do. The fact that we have TEN police officers, every single one of which totally HATES Mr. Ryan, really means something. These officers distributed a one page letter to every home in the city, back in December, stating they had made a "no confidence" vote. It was unanimous. So, in summary, not much new to report here. There just has not been much news coming out. The City Council DID try to fire him at their very first meeting, but because of some technicalities in the city rules, they weren't actually able to, at that particular meeting. It was three days later that he was Suspended, oops, I mean "placed on Administrative Leave". I suspect, as mentioned above, that not only are there probably some negotiations taking place in the background, but also that the city council has probably been looking into exactly what process and what rules they need to follow to fire him. I suppose that could happen any time now, perhaps during a city council meeting, or perhaps behind closed doors. At any rate, Timmy Hard-on HAS to realize that he is totally finished here, and will never be able to put the Osseo badge on again. It is interesting that somebody else posted the little blurb about him getting a job back out in your area, in, uh, "Uxbridge", wherever the heck that is. Since he is on Administrative Leave, he is still getting paid. I encourage any of you who are really interested, to read the Employment Agreement mentioned above. It provides some interesting details into the "contract" that Mr. Ryan negotiated when he was hired here. Also, please read the lawsuit documents shown on that page. You won't believe it. All of the allegations and the behavours and actions he has engaged in, in only nine moths, are amazing. Some of it has been recorded on audio tape. . ALL of the police officers here have been totally taking the high road, and staying out of the process completely, since their letter to the public. They just keep grinding on, doing the same excellent work they always have.
posting part 3 of 3 or 4 (continued) There is one resident here who has been pretty vocal about getting rid of this guy, his name is Douglas Lee. We have a local newspaper here that has had a running series of "Reader Comments" about this story. Mr. Lee (whoever he is) pasted quite a series of letters, that were written non-emotionally, but with good intellectual rigor, elucidating why the man should be fired. But his comments were met largely with a lot of mean spirited and juvenile counter-posts, all of which were posted by "anonymous" posters who would not identify themselves. They were mostly name calling, and pretty stupid. If I can remember, I will make another post here if there are any new significant developments. Please, whoever posted the info about Mr. Ryan possibly getting another job back in MA, please keep us apprised if you learn of any more facts on that subject. At the website above, that refers to the video of the city council meetings, there is usually an Agenda posted the day of the scheduled meeting, that lists everything that is scheduled to be discussed at that night's city council meeting. There is also a document (public) called "city council packet", that all the council members get before their meeting. It is interesting, what everybody has been saying here the last couple months, about Timmy Hard-on, oops, I mean Mr. Ryan, about how he relies on "intimidation" and "retribution". The problem for him, is that here in Minnesota we don't put up with that crap. We are a progressive state, and the Minneapolis-St. Paul area is a pretty liberal area. We have an above average populace, in terms of education of the citizens. Our politics have been known around the country as being above average, in terms of how "clean" they are. It does seem like he has spent a lot of time and effort trying "empire build" here, trying to "get in good" with a lot of the "movers and shakers", and trying to become "the boss of the town", but he greatly mis-assessed what would happen here in Minnesota when he tried to do that. We just don't put up with it. Our professional police standards (as established by the state) are quite strict, and require a lot of professionalism. The individual communities and cities also have very strict standards for their officers. Once in a while, there is a department that has some kind of scandal, usually involving only one officer, but it is fairly unusual. I don't think there is ANY possibility that Mr. Ryan could EVER be hired by another police department in Minnesota, even if Osseo allows him to "resign", rather than being outrightly fired. If I have read the history in Millville properly, it looks like Mr. Ryan was "let go", or "resigned", in about 2006 or early 2007. He started working here in about May of 2009. So he was unemployed for about 2 or 2.5 years, as far as I know. I don't know if he had any other job between "leaving" his job in MIllville, and getting hired here. He negotiated a total of about 6.6 WEEKS of personal time off when he was hired here, and the rumor is that he had already taken about 4 weeks of time off by the time he was placed on leave.
posting 5 of 5 (continued) It should be mentioned here that our police department is staffed by EXCELLENT, and very professional officers (ALL of them). NONE of them have ever been a problem, in any way, as far as I know. I've always been under the impression that Mass is a very liberal state, so it surprises me very much that Mr. Ryan was able to stay in his job for so many years. But I do understand that his family was well connected politically, and also that they managed to get a state senator to sponsor and pass a STATE LAW that basically granted Mr. Ryan "lifetime tenure". Of course, out here in Minnesota, he doesn't have those connections, or his mother to "run interference" for him, so he has been on his own. He does not seem to have exactly "excelled" under those conditions. So, as Walter Cronkite used to say, "That's the Way it Is'. -DragonInOsseo March 20, 2010
posting 4 of 5 (continued) Regarding the future, here is what I think is going to happen: First, I predict that Mr. Ryan will never ever be able to put on an Osseo police uniform again, ever. Second, I predict that the next development we hear about will be that Mr. Ryan has "resigned", OR that he has been "terminated". I don't think this is going to take very long. I suspect that it will probably happen and be announced within the next 30 days or so, maybe sooner. So, we will soon have a job opening for a Police Chief. The previous city council was the council that hired Mr. Ryan. Regardless of all the misbehavior of Mr. Ryan, they kept supporting him right through the end of their term, on December 31, 2009. I honestly don't understand why. I think part of it was that they didn't want to have to admit that they had made a bad mistake. We have one discrimination or harassment lawsuit that is currently in Federal Court, by a former Police Department employee, and we have a second that has been announced, being brought by a current female officer, although I don't know if the formal papers have been filed with the court yet. In my opinion, BOTH of these cases are "open and shut". The League of Minnesota Cities provides SOME insurance for our city, but I don't know how much, in terms of dollar amounts. I assume, that if the city looses both suits, the damages might go above what the League pays, so I imagine that means that the damages will have to be paid by the taxpayers. They are NOT going to be happy about that. We already have a lot of resistance by many citizens about the level of taxes we have in our town. Mr. Ryan had a "performance evaluation" in November 2009. At the time, he was rated a total of 44 points out of a possible 100. Two of the specific directives that were given to him is that he learn how to use the Squad radio and the Squad computer. He was also told that he was required to keep the squad camera on and recording at all times, while in the car, supposedly so that the city officials can keep track of what he is doing and where he is going and how he is spending his time. At the November performance review, his next performance review was scheduled to be 3 months later. He DID manage to log on to the Squad computer about ONE WEEK before that second performance review. Nobody is sure if he actually knows how to USE it, but at least he did manage to log on for the first time (after being the police chief for 9 MONTHS). Mr. Ryan SEEMS to have a very serious problem regarding his attitude, and perhaps history with, females. He has been in the local bar acting like an ass, and allegedly "drinking to excess", and also behaving toward some women in an extremely unacceptable way. There seems to be some possible evidence on the police department computer that he was looking at pornography while in the police office, and also that he was visiting "hookup" sites on the Internet. Does anybody happen to know if this man has ever been laid? It seems questionable. He seems to me like somebody who has never been able to attract a woman into his life, ever. Personally, I believe he has some serious psychological problems. That's just one persons opinion. He got angry one time last summer and hit the driver's door mirror on the squad car with his fist so hard that he broke it. That does not seem like someone who should be allowed to carry a gun, much less be a police chief, or even an officer.
don't think the Ux. rumor has merit. Ux. is a Civil Service Town, he could never get on the list - Test driven. Appts have to be from the Civil Service list, which he would not be on.
It appears quite solid (although not absolutely positive yet) that at the City Council meeting on April 12, 7PM, Osseo City Hall, the City Council will be discussing a "resolution" to the situation with "Mr. Ryan". It is an item on the official agenda. This agenda can be seen at:
The full "City Council Meeting Packet", which is the collection of documents that are given to each council member a few days or more before each meeting, is available at:
Item 10k n the agenda describes the action to be taken regarding Mr. Ryan. Word on the street is that the council is going to decide, and announce, that "Mr. Ryan" will be kept on "Administrative Leave" through approximately May 17, which would be the end of his first one year contract. At that time, his employment would not be continued. He would be removed from Suspension (oops, I mean "Administrative Leave"), and removed from the payroll, and be wished "Good Luck" by the City.
Mr. Ryan's contract has a clause that says something about having to pay him 3 months pay if he were "fired" without substantive cause. So, it would be cheaper and easier to just keep him on pay through the next 5 weeks or so, then simply let him not "continue employment" with the city.
In Mr. Ryan's absence, we currently have a long term member of the force acting as the department supervisor. He actually should have been selected as the Chief at the time Mr. Ryan was hired, but because of some internal power struggles within the city government, he was not hired. He has worked here for many years, he has an amazing feel of the "pulse of the community", and he knows who the local "bad guys" are (not that we have very many), and to the best of my knowledge, has an impeccable record. He has also shown a great deal of leadership in the department, and has been the Field Training Officer for some time. He was mentored by the previous chief to become the next Chief. I believe, but do not actually know, that the previous chief (who was excellent), would have been in favor of this officer becoming chief, and I believe he probably recommended him to the city, although I don't have direct knowledge of that either.
You all may very likely see Mr. Ryan back in your community soon. Best wishes with that.
And a final very personal note to the citizens and residents of Millville and surrounding communities who have posted information here about Mr' Ryan's past history, and who have provided information in any other ways: The information that has flowed out of MIllville has been very helpful in helping the residents and population of the City of Osseo, along with the City Leadership and the City Councilk understand the "context" in which Mr. Ryan's lifelong patterns of behavior can be viewed. So Thank You to all of you who have helped provide both anecdotal and specific publicly known information to us here.
I do not know if my own activities have had any impact in what has developed here over the past 5 moths. I would like to believe that they have, but I don't know for sure. After Mr. Ryan is gone from here, my involvement in this issue will cease, and I will go back to my "normal" quiet life. I have been very vocal, but I honestly believe that my views are in line with the vast majority of the residents of Osseo.
One thing I have learned through this process is that local community politics can get extremely "slimy" and "dirty" and "creepy". I never knew how bad that could be. I am very disappointed that even in a quiet peaceful community, with very little serious crime, that such "power fights" can occur. Pretty disgusting.
I have personally been slandered publicly, serious outright "lies" have been told about me, and I am a mere citizen, not even involved in politics or government.
We have a VERY professional, effective, modern and reputable police department. It is not "politicized" like so many departments are. This is one of the many reasons why some many citizens want Mr Ryan to be gone. We want the department to be professional and independent. If there is ever any wrong doing in the department (which I doubt there ever would be), that could and would be dealt with in a different venue, rather than through the City Administration.
Our police department is very "community oriented". "Community Policing" has been a common "new strategy" here in Minnesota for a number of years, but the Osseo force has been doing this for many years, even before it became "popular".
Considering everything he has done here, a strong case for outright "firing" Mr. Ryan could probably be made, but it would probably involve court fights, which would cost way more than just doing as described above.
We have two ongoing lawsuits against the city, both caused by Mr. Ryan's sexual harassment patterns and sexual discrimination, both of which I believe will be resolved in favor of the plaintiffs, against the city. I believe there will be large monetary settlements, which the city and/or their insurers will have to pay. So, this can be added to the long list of great accomplishments of Mr. Ryan in the 9 month period he carried a badge here.
Again, word on the street is that this is almost certainly what is going to happen. I will post again as soon as I know for certain. That will probably be either Monday night or sometime on Tuesday.
I have been told that "Mr. Ryan will never be hired as a police officer again". Not just in Minnesota, but probably anywhere. Good deal.
Oh, and I don't remember if I mentioned this little tidbit in any earlier posting. But recently (and this is documented in official newspapers), Mr. Ryan applied for a job as a Deputy Sheriff in Owatonna, Minnesota. He filed the paperwork with them, and expressed strong interest in the job there. I believe he was one of the two "top candidates". God, what a show this mutt must be able to put on. The only problem was, he somehow "forgot" to mention during his application process, that he was currently on Suspension (oops, I mean "Administrative Leave") from the position of Police Chief in Osseo.
When the Owatonna Sheriff's department found out about this, they sent Mr. Ryan a letter saying, "Thanks but no Thanks".
So, it looks like we will know the essential outcome of this long nightmare by the end of Monday night, April 12.
The City Council meetings are streamed live over the Net, but I don't have the URL in front of me at the moment. If you do some googling and find the Osseo MN website, you can find the find stream address.
I really doubt that there has been any actual "deal cut" with Mr. Ryan. The majority of the City Council is not disposed to making ANY "deals" with this "man". I believe that they simply analyzed the situation carefully, and decided this would be the easiest, cleanest, fastest, and least expensive way to permanently resolve this issue.
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if it is going to happen, it probably has to follow some due process ect. their probably are certain rights employees have, since he is a municpal employee. diane coulnd't fire him right away remember? didn't you testify in your bermudas?
actually a banana hammock...he resigned as I remember it...otherwise he would have never been hired in Osseo...
so apparently the meeting took place but there must be some type of gag order...I wonder if they are cutting a deal with him so he'll leave...anybody see a pattern here ?
Where is the dragon???
That is the question.
Keep us posted, we are certainly interested in knowing the outcome.
As of right now. Nothing is happening. Mr. Ryan is sitting at home, collecting a pay check none-the-less, on paid administrative leave. It is unknown yet as to when anything else will happen or when the council will address him.
We will keep you updated for sure.
My only question to you out there in Millville, is how torn apart was your city when everything with Mr. Ryan went down?
Ryan's mother was heavily into politics and she had the ear of our local senator...somehow she got her son hired as chief when he was about 22 or something...he had no qualifications (and still doesn't for that matter)..it was a complete bag job...over the next 20 years the stories are legendary...
The summarized version is there was a new (50) house development built between 2000 - 2005...95% of the people who moved there did not have Millville roots...he tried pulling his antics with some of us...we would have none of it..we made a stand...when the State Police took over policing the town, it was such a relief...
Ryan had people he took care of in town (sounds like your bar owners)...Millville used to be called "Ryanville"...they ruled by intimidation...
Our then Board of Selectmen knew Ryan was a liability...Millville was one lawsuit away from being wiped off the map..
The Ryan backers claimed the whole thing was political...what has happened in Osseo has vindicated the members of that board...
And suprisingly the Ryan backers are awfully quiet these days..must be a tough pill to swallow...
My guess is the people who are standing behind Ryan are getting their back scratched somehow...
The citizens of Osseo should expect they have someone leading the Police Force that they can put their trust in...
So the question becomes does Ryan pass that litmus test ?
I'm pretty sure you all know the answer..
The town was definately torn apart.Ryan backers vs others. Both knew the story but if you didn't back the Ryan's you would have hell to pay by the family and him. The BOS took more heat and harassment than any other board had ever taken on any issue that ever faced the town but they hung tough and did the right thing. It is only now as BK said that people are realizing that the board acted appropriately based on what was happening at that time nevermind in the past.
Word out of Hannahs is Ryan says he has lined up a job with his buddy in the Uxbridge PD, they are just waiting to get rid of a female officer too open up a position for him.
You mean they are ridding themselfs of all female officers before they hire him.Otherwise face the fate of Osseo.Uxbridge cant be that stupid.
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from Dragon in Osseo-latest update, but not much news, really.
As of March 20, 2010.
Timmy was placed on Administrative Leave a few weeks back or so, as indicated in earlier posts on this board, and as can be read about in many news reports. Since that time, there has been absolutely no news on the subject whatsoever. Our City Council meetings are scheduled for every other Monday night, 7pm. They are live streamed on the Internet. To find them, go to this URL, and look around. I don't know of the exact URL that takes you right to the feed, but you can find it if you look.
http://www.nwsccc.org/osseo.aspx
There was a City Council meeting held on March 8, but there was absolutely no discussion of the police chief issue, at all. I don't know if there will be any discussion of it at the next meeting, on Monday, March 22.
It is quite clear that our city council has a solid 3 to 2 majority who are totally committed to helping Mr. Ryan find someplace else to work. The majority might be 4 to 1, but we are not sure, because the 4th person on the council has not expressed any opinions yet that would indicate where his thoughts lie on the subject. We do have one city council member who appears to be very strongly in support of Mr. Ryan. I don't think he is going to change his mind, unless perhaps something even more outrageous comes out into public. The city council actually knows a lot more than most resident, about all the details of what has happened here in Osseo concerning the good Mr. Ryan, but a lot of those details have not been made public. Unfortunately, there are a lot of laws here in Minnesota protecting employer-employee and personnel matters.
"Data Privacy Act" I believe it is called.
But, the good news, is that since Mr. Ryan (Timmy Hard-on as we call him) has been on leave for a couple weeks or so, so his ability to do any more damage to the department or to the community has been pretty limited. All of the officers are greatly relieved that he is no longer in the station, screwing things up. He is SUCH a nasty man, just terrible. He "seems" to be just a total pig, and I'm using that word in the very general sense, not in the derogatory that some people used to use to refer to police officers.
I suspect, although I do not know, that there may be some "negotiations" taking place behind the scene, to come to some kind of agreement that will result in Mr. Ryan leaving, without being formally and publicly "fired". It would be a real shame, in my opinion, if he is allowed to "resign". He should be outrightly fired, because if he "resigns" it will be easier for him to get another Law Enforcement job.
By the way, as most of you out in the Millville area are probably aware, Mr. Ryans "employment agreement" is now publicly posted at:
http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x699612516/Former-Millville-chief-faces-turmoil-in-Minnesota
Yes, our community HAS been torn apart by this issue. BUT, most of the support of Mr. Ryan has come from a couple business owners (including the owner of the local bar, who has been his strongest supporter). These business owners have been extremely vocal, and one (the bar owner) actually blew up and started swearing and yelling after the meeting a few weeks ago when the city council tried to fire Mr. Ryan.
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But, I think that the majority of the RESIDENTS who actually live here in town, are in support of getting rid of Mr. Ryan. A couple of the business owners, who have businesses in our town, are not residents here, so they can't vote in our city elections.
Mr. Ryan is well known for spending a lot of time in this bar, drinking (allegedly to excess sometimes), during off hours. He is apparently great pals with the owner of the bar now (I think the bar owner was one of the people who were on the "screening comittee", who made recommendations to our previous city council about which candidates for the job to hire).
I honestly do not know, and am extremely confused by, the fact that this man does have a number of supporters in our town. It really confuses me. I don't understand the motivations or the thinking of these people.
Mr. Ryan (Timmy Hard-on) has put a lot of time and effort into becoming a "community presence" by participating in a bunch of civic events (parades, ribbon cuttings, etc), none of which have anything to do with the actual job he was hired to do.
The fact that we have TEN police officers, every single one of which totally HATES Mr. Ryan, really means something. These officers distributed a one page letter to every home in the city, back in December, stating they had made a "no confidence" vote. It was unanimous.
So, in summary, not much new to report here. There just has not been much news coming out. The City Council DID try to fire him at their very first meeting, but because of some technicalities in the city rules, they weren't actually able to, at that particular meeting. It was three days later that he was Suspended, oops, I mean "placed on Administrative Leave".
I suspect, as mentioned above, that not only are there probably some negotiations taking place in the background, but also that the city council has probably been looking into exactly what process and what rules they need to follow to fire him. I suppose that could happen any time now, perhaps during a city council meeting, or perhaps behind closed doors. At any rate, Timmy Hard-on HAS to realize that he is totally finished here, and will never be able to put the Osseo badge on again. It is interesting that somebody else posted the little blurb about him getting a job back out in your area, in, uh, "Uxbridge", wherever the heck that is.
Since he is on Administrative Leave, he is still getting paid. I encourage any of you who are really interested, to read the Employment Agreement mentioned above. It provides some interesting details into the "contract" that Mr. Ryan negotiated when he was hired here. Also, please read the lawsuit documents shown on that page. You won't believe it. All of the allegations and the behavours and actions he has engaged in, in only nine moths, are amazing. Some of it has been recorded on audio tape. .
ALL of the police officers here have been totally taking the high road, and staying out of the process completely, since their letter to the public. They just keep grinding on, doing the same excellent work they always have.
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There is one resident here who has been pretty vocal about getting rid of this guy, his name is Douglas Lee. We have a local newspaper here that has had a running series of "Reader Comments" about this story. Mr. Lee (whoever he is) pasted quite a series of letters, that were written non-emotionally, but with good intellectual rigor, elucidating why the man should be fired. But his comments were met largely with a lot of mean spirited and juvenile counter-posts, all of which were posted by "anonymous" posters who would not identify themselves. They were mostly name calling, and pretty stupid.
If I can remember, I will make another post here if there are any new significant developments. Please, whoever posted the info about Mr. Ryan possibly getting another job back in MA, please keep us apprised if you learn of any more facts on that subject.
At the website above, that refers to the video of the city council meetings, there is usually an Agenda posted the day of the scheduled meeting, that lists everything that is scheduled to be discussed at that night's city council meeting.
There is also a document (public) called "city council packet", that all the council members get before their meeting.
It is interesting, what everybody has been saying here the last couple months, about Timmy Hard-on, oops, I mean Mr. Ryan, about how he relies on "intimidation" and "retribution". The problem for him, is that here in Minnesota we don't put up with that crap. We are a progressive state, and the Minneapolis-St. Paul area is a pretty liberal area. We have an above average populace, in terms of education of the citizens. Our politics have been known around the country as being above average, in terms of how "clean" they are. It does seem like he has spent a lot of time and effort trying "empire build" here, trying to "get in good" with a lot of the "movers and shakers", and trying to become "the boss of the town", but he greatly mis-assessed what would happen here in Minnesota when he tried to do that. We just don't put up with it.
Our professional police standards (as established by the state) are quite strict, and require a lot of professionalism. The individual communities and cities also have very strict standards for their officers. Once in a while, there is a department that has some kind of scandal, usually involving only one officer, but it is fairly unusual. I don't think there is ANY possibility that Mr. Ryan could EVER be hired by another police department in Minnesota, even if Osseo allows him to "resign", rather than being outrightly fired. If I have read the history in Millville properly, it looks like Mr. Ryan was "let go", or "resigned", in about 2006 or early 2007. He started working here in about May of 2009. So he was unemployed for about 2 or 2.5 years, as far as I know. I don't know if he had any other job between "leaving" his job in MIllville, and getting hired here.
He negotiated a total of about 6.6 WEEKS of personal time off when he was hired here, and the rumor is that he had already taken about 4 weeks of time off by the time he was placed on leave.
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It should be mentioned here that our police department is staffed by EXCELLENT, and very professional officers (ALL of them). NONE of them have ever been a problem, in any way, as far as I know.
I've always been under the impression that Mass is a very liberal state, so it surprises me very much that Mr. Ryan was able to stay in his job for so many years. But I do understand that his family was well connected politically, and also that they managed to get a state senator to sponsor and pass a STATE LAW that basically granted Mr. Ryan "lifetime tenure". Of course, out here in Minnesota, he doesn't have those connections, or his mother to "run interference" for him, so he has been on his own. He does not seem to have exactly "excelled" under those conditions.
So, as Walter Cronkite used to say, "That's the Way it Is'.
-DragonInOsseo
March 20, 2010
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Regarding the future, here is what I think is going to happen: First, I predict that Mr. Ryan will never ever be able to put on an Osseo police uniform again, ever. Second, I predict that the next development we hear about will be that Mr. Ryan has "resigned", OR that he has been "terminated". I don't think this is going to take very long. I suspect that it will probably happen and be announced within the next 30 days or so, maybe sooner. So, we will soon have a job opening for a Police Chief.
The previous city council was the council that hired Mr. Ryan. Regardless of all the misbehavior of Mr. Ryan, they kept supporting him right through the end of their term, on December 31, 2009. I honestly don't understand why. I think part of it was that they didn't want to have to admit that they had made a bad mistake.
We have one discrimination or harassment lawsuit that is currently in Federal Court, by a former Police Department employee, and we have a second that has been announced, being brought by a current female officer, although I don't know if the formal papers have been filed with the court yet.
In my opinion, BOTH of these cases are "open and shut". The League of Minnesota Cities provides SOME insurance for our city, but I don't know how much, in terms of dollar amounts. I assume, that if the city looses both suits, the damages might go above what the League pays, so I imagine that means that the damages will have to be paid by the taxpayers. They are NOT going to be happy about that. We already have a lot of resistance by many citizens about the level of taxes we have in our town.
Mr. Ryan had a "performance evaluation" in November 2009. At the time, he was rated a total of 44 points out of a possible 100. Two of the specific directives that were given to him is that he learn how to use the Squad radio and the Squad computer. He was also told that he was required to keep the squad camera on and recording at all times, while in the car, supposedly so that the city officials can keep track of what he is doing and where he is going and how he is spending his time. At the November performance review, his next performance review was scheduled to be 3 months later. He DID manage to log on to the Squad computer about ONE WEEK before that second performance review. Nobody is sure if he actually knows how to USE it, but at least he did manage to log on for the first time (after being the police chief for 9 MONTHS).
Mr. Ryan SEEMS to have a very serious problem regarding his attitude, and perhaps history with, females. He has been in the local bar acting like an ass, and allegedly "drinking to excess", and also behaving toward some women in an extremely unacceptable way. There seems to be some possible evidence on the police department computer that he was looking at pornography while in the police office, and also that he was visiting "hookup" sites on the Internet. Does anybody happen to know if this man has ever been laid? It seems questionable. He seems to me like somebody who has never been able to attract a woman into his life, ever. Personally, I believe he has some serious psychological problems. That's just one persons opinion. He got angry one time last summer and hit the driver's door mirror on the squad car with his fist so hard that he broke it. That does not seem like someone who should be allowed to carry a gun, much less be a police chief, or even an officer.
Chief Landry should revoke Mr.Ryan's license to carry.
Term is "Unsuitable citizen"
This would make alot of us feel safer!
I 2nd that vote...
don't think the Ux. rumor has merit. Ux. is a Civil Service Town, he could never get on the list - Test driven. Appts have to be from the Civil Service list, which he would not be on.
UPDATE FROM OSSEO
APRIL 6-2010
PLEASE SEE:
http://www.pressnews.com/articles/2010/04/07/other_news/401ochiefupdate4-7.txt
let me know if the link does not work.
-DRAGON
From Dragon
April 11-2010
Major News Update
part one of several due to 4096 character limit--
It appears quite solid (although not absolutely positive yet) that at the City Council meeting on April 12, 7PM, Osseo City Hall, the City Council will be discussing a "resolution" to the situation with "Mr. Ryan". It is an item on the official agenda. This agenda can be seen at:
http://nwsccc-osseo.granicus.com/AgendaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=83
The full "City Council Meeting Packet", which is the collection of documents that are given to each council member a few days or more before each meeting, is available at:
http://www.discoverosseo.com/docs/agendas/04_12_2010_cc_pkt.pdf
Item 10k n the agenda describes the action to be taken regarding Mr. Ryan. Word on the street is that the council is going to decide, and announce, that "Mr. Ryan" will be kept on "Administrative Leave" through approximately May 17, which would be the end of his first one year contract. At that time, his employment would not be continued. He would be removed from Suspension (oops, I mean "Administrative Leave"), and removed from the payroll, and be wished "Good Luck" by the City.
Mr. Ryan's contract has a clause that says something about having to pay him 3 months pay if he were "fired" without substantive cause. So, it would be cheaper and easier to just keep him on pay through the next 5 weeks or so, then simply let him not "continue employment" with the city.
In Mr. Ryan's absence, we currently have a long term member of the force acting as the department supervisor. He actually should have been selected as the Chief at the time Mr. Ryan was hired, but because of some internal power struggles within the city government, he was not hired. He has worked here for many years, he has an amazing feel of the "pulse of the community", and he knows who the local "bad guys" are (not that we have very many), and to the best of my knowledge, has an impeccable record. He has also shown a great deal of leadership in the department, and has been the Field Training Officer for some time. He was mentored by the previous chief to become the next Chief. I believe, but do not actually know, that the previous chief (who was excellent), would have been in favor of this officer becoming chief, and I believe he probably recommended him to the city, although I don't have direct knowledge of that either.
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You all may very likely see Mr. Ryan back in your community soon. Best wishes with that.
And a final very personal note to the citizens and residents of Millville and surrounding communities who have posted information here about Mr' Ryan's past history, and who have provided information in any other ways: The information that has flowed out of MIllville has been very helpful in helping the residents and population of the City of Osseo, along with the City Leadership and the City Councilk understand the "context" in which Mr. Ryan's lifelong patterns of behavior can be viewed. So Thank You to all of you who have helped provide both anecdotal and specific publicly known information to us here.
I do not know if my own activities have had any impact in what has developed here over the past 5 moths. I would like to believe that they have, but I don't know for sure. After Mr. Ryan is gone from here, my involvement in this issue will cease, and I will go back to my "normal" quiet life. I have been very vocal, but I honestly believe that my views are in line with the vast majority of the residents of Osseo.
One thing I have learned through this process is that local community politics can get extremely "slimy" and "dirty" and "creepy". I never knew how bad that could be. I am very disappointed that even in a quiet peaceful community, with very little serious crime, that such "power fights" can occur. Pretty disgusting.
I have personally been slandered publicly, serious outright "lies" have been told about me, and I am a mere citizen, not even involved in politics or government.
Updates to come.
Sincerely,
Dragon In Osseo
April 10, 2010
Saturday
We have a VERY professional, effective, modern and reputable police department. It is not "politicized" like so many departments are. This is one of the many reasons why some many citizens want Mr Ryan to be gone. We want the department to be professional and independent. If there is ever any
wrong doing in the department (which I doubt there ever would be), that could and would be dealt with in a different venue, rather than through the City Administration.
Our police department is very "community oriented". "Community Policing" has been a common "new strategy" here in Minnesota for a number of years, but the Osseo force has been doing this for many years, even before it became "popular".
Considering everything he has done here, a strong case for outright "firing" Mr. Ryan could probably be made, but it would probably involve court fights, which would cost way more than just doing as described above.
We have two ongoing lawsuits against the city, both caused by Mr. Ryan's sexual harassment patterns and sexual discrimination, both of which I believe will be resolved in favor of the plaintiffs, against the city. I believe there will be large monetary settlements, which the city and/or their insurers will have to pay. So, this can be added to the long list of great accomplishments of Mr. Ryan in the 9 month period he carried a badge here.
Again, word on the street is that this is almost certainly what is going to happen. I will post again as soon as I know for certain. That will probably be either Monday night or sometime on Tuesday.
I have been told that "Mr. Ryan will never be hired as a police officer again". Not just in Minnesota, but probably anywhere. Good deal.
Oh, and I don't remember if I mentioned this little tidbit in any earlier posting. But recently (and this is documented in official newspapers), Mr. Ryan applied for a job as a Deputy Sheriff in Owatonna, Minnesota. He filed the paperwork with them, and expressed strong interest in the job there. I believe he was one of the two "top candidates". God, what a show this mutt must be able to put on. The only problem was, he somehow "forgot" to mention during his application process, that he was currently on Suspension (oops, I mean "Administrative Leave") from the position of Police Chief in Osseo.
When the Owatonna Sheriff's department found out about this, they sent Mr. Ryan a letter saying, "Thanks but no Thanks".
So, it looks like we will know the essential outcome of this long nightmare by the end of Monday night, April 12.
The City Council meetings are streamed live over the Net, but I don't have the URL in front of me at the moment. If you do some googling and find the Osseo MN website, you can find the find stream address.
I really doubt that there has been any actual "deal cut" with Mr. Ryan. The majority of the City Council is not disposed to making ANY "deals" with this "man". I believe that they simply analyzed the situation carefully, and decided this would be the easiest, cleanest, fastest, and least expensive way to permanently resolve this issue.
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